Abdul Qayum Sb is right. IK is not at fault with the economy position. Someone has to take the hard decisions. Unfortunately IK will be held responsible for the 70 years of fake development.
But even if we give him a pass on economy. He hasnt done anything result oriented with any of the other depts as well.
I guess, no one with even least bit of sense can hold the current Govt responsible (excluding the leeches in the Ministries that were there in previous tenures) until the point the current one came in the power.
It is those big promises/words/hype that was created for years that no matter how messed up things are, these guys have instant magical solutions. It happens, but the problem is that these guys were pinpointing exact issues (vague notions and fabricated claims) with no clue in mind until getting in the office.
The credibility and confidence never builds up, once you call 2018 Amnesty availers at chors ending up behind bars soon and later all welcome them to avail it. Frequent administrative changes (saying current lot is best) and then start firing a few days. Fin Minister that was portrayed as the best and only man available to do the job has been shown the door within one year. These are just a few examples among other. Leave corrupt/pure bit for later once things can be objectively evaluated. By the way, the big guy distributing 'Sadiq/Ameen' clean chits, we all know what that self actually is and what that represents, recent example/scenario is the least bit reflection of that.
Policy and Vision matters that is lacking and costing big time. Sure, counter-argument that previous ones were even worse, yes they may be or may not be but thats not the point. They are in the political bin anyway. These guys came into power on the very notion of being different and no connection to the previous mess.
As per zameen news, every day which passes by is showing good news from Imran govt.
Do I need to hang a degree around my neck to make out the result oriented progress of the announcements?
How much time, do I need to give him, a week, a year...may be some hours or an overnight, dear gents?
Oh, I do not have a degree, so I am not eligible for this million dollar make out?
Postal service has already spoken up for positives, railway, too, is shaping up. PIA has reduced leakages to a remarkable level. One culprit already in jail....This is just in 9 months?
AQ sb, please don’t waste your energy, this quom will never understand.
They will only understand when their beloved mafia leaders will completely bank corrupt this country and run away permanently to their motherland UK and other such countries, leaving them fighting with each other for rest of their lives. God Forbid!
Sohail sb.
I am trying to make my point to some people whom I respect from the realms of my heart.
But, yes, I shall abort this exercise.
There is no use indulging with tabdeeli crowed because they follow some alien galactic logic that is beyond us, the earthly creatures. Usually such state of mind is observed in the cult members whose guru remains "high" after snorting some substance.
Their source of information is also not earthly, they collect facts and get enlightened either by "visions" as exclusive experience or by listening to the sermon of their guru.
For example they will see progress even though entire team of Puppet Niazi has been fired on incompetence charges by those who brought him in power at first place.
Suhail Sb.
میں نے کہا بزم ناز غیر سے چاھیے تہی
سن کے ستم ظریف نے اٹھا دیا کہ یوں
AQ SB, Bola na Bhains ke age been bajana fazool hai.
specially when the crowd is high on Chars, bhung and cocain etc.
Suhial Jee
In the recent history of our area, the man who did a fundamental change, was Sher Shaa Soori.
But him also took 2.5 years to reinvent the land record system…still we are using his given names like “Qani go”, Tehsildar etc.
Ayub Khan did wonders to motherland but if you read about some of his minsters, you will not believe?
Even one of them, Shaib Ahmed, was on USA pay role….but country progressed phenomenally, why???
The govt machinery was honest, wanted to deliver to get pride to serve nation…
Now see Imran Khan situation: Almost 80% are patwaris, stuck to N & Z no matter where country goes!
Yes, Imran has poor performing ministers but not all of them. He will dislodge them piece by piece if not performing, He has guts to do this: The monkeys were so dwarf that once a minister is given office, they were given free hand to loot and cheat.
They were not able to understand that coming in office does not mean ONLY to loot but also to render some service to the state?
But a few of us:
دن کہیں بھی گذار لے یہ دل
اسی کے کوچے میں شام کرتا یے
Abdul Qayyum & Sohail
Buhat masoom log ho tum...
Pakistan py 2014 sy azab hai Imran ki waja sy...
Facts ki baat karo...
Nawaz sharif ko giraya ja raha tha ...... Kyon k Musharraf case & CPEC etc.... Phir b
PML (N) tackled energy crisis, terrorism, development.
Economy growth was 5.8 but now 3.9
Stock from 19000 to 54000
Petrol remained 65 for 4 years
Dollar at 105-115
No Inflation that time. Even less inflation after decades..
But now ???????
Imran khan allah ki taraf sy azab hai.... Manhos jab sy aya ghareeb ki roti b khatam ho rahi...... Characterless, Lair, Fradiya..... Puppet
Bhai biggest problem of Pakistan is Civil military problem. Jab tak yeh problem khatam nahi hoga.....Pakistan kabhi progress nahi kar sakta...... 100 batein karte raho......
Aj b agar nawaz sharif ah jaye dekhna kaisy paisa hi paisa ho jata hai...... Nawaz sharif naam hai progress ka......
Pakistan ki halat 30 saal pehle aaj se bohat achi thi, mulk age jaate hain aur hum peche gai, kio ?
Kioke, two Moneys ne khob loota is time me, Agar ab bhi is ko track par na dalte aur tough fasle na karte to khuda na khuasta Pakistan bank corrupt bhi ho sakta tha.
Only taking loans and looting and sending money outside cannot work for ever, next time koi loan bhi nahi de ga.
Phir yeh Monkeys UK bhag jai ge aur hum log aik dosre ka mon noche gain yaha.
Yasir sb
Do know how much loan was taken to freeze Pak Rs, then?
More than 15 billions of Dollars, which would be paid back by our kids and grand kids with sood?
It was very simple for Imran to keep taking more billions, keep Rs frozen and enjoy the PM office!
That’s what you want for you incoming generations, sir?
It is a surprise for me that people do not know of the term" transition"?
To clean the "Kachra" of 30 years, we need only months?
I watched this " kaki", having grand kids and still kaki by the way, and asking myself: This stupid woman will rule us???
Does not know simple things of the history?
One day her criminal father out and govt will go??
He was out for months....why govt still exists??
AQ sahib, you are absolutely right, they cannot wait another few years, in fact were sleeping happily in indigent condition from last few decades.
Incompetent Puppet Niazi is exposed in 9 months. Even the puppet masters are ashamed on his performance to the extent that they fired the entire cabinet and brought Musharaf's trusted horses and some technocrates.
If he had an ounce of sharam, he would have resigned. Laikin wo kehty hain na:
Banda dheet hona chahey warna sharam to aani jani cheez hey.
Theres no hope unless and until Pakistanis stop blindly following these political parties. Who brag and talk loud on speakers but in reality never deliver, be it NS, Z, or IK. They all have different agendas, for some its money others its power or fame or ALL.
We will never excel until we hold these political actors responsible for what they have done and what they are doing to this land.
@Ty Phoon,
When people are not allowed to freely choose their leaders, and if they do, then those leaders go missing, or labelled as traitors and hunted down.
When you are allowed to choose from Puppets only.
When the political discussion revolves around "my Puppet is better than your Puppet, and he's the final hope".
Then what would you do?
I would choose an ex-Puppet who's gone rogue. That's my best bet.
Every one in Pakistan is doing their part to destroy it.. Since we are not a nation we are doing our best to be parasites and destroy where we live.
A story I have heard:
"When the British were leaving, the so called elders of the now Pakistan had gathered around the vice roy, vice roy after a brief moment got tears in his eyes looking at the scene our elders/leaders of the time started murmuring saying the Vice Roy is sad about leaving, vice roy heard this and angrily said: We are sad not because we are leaving but cuz we dont see talent amongst you that could take care of this land"
This was 70 years ago, but this still stands true, even today we have no talent but speeches, start from the schools the kids only are good at speeches, debates and have no practical skills. Education system dates back to 70 years, we suck at everything.
After media and institutional crackdowns, judiciary (the one that at least put up a resistance against the status-quo), under the crackdown and we as a nation expecting that our system and economy will rise.
'Crackdown' = reference in SJC. Same sort of stuff trigerred the fall of the architect of 'Sab Say Pehlay Pakistan' & economy during that patch of time!
Same script and pretty much same outcomes for nth time now for the nation. That's one fool's hell we are choosing to survive in ...
PS: Waseem Akram+ preferring to keep mute but hiring 38 official spokesperson (in a cabinet of 35 ministers) to enlighten the nation about socio-economic progression (by a big chunk on Non-elected lot) ... By the way, welcome back Fayyaz Chahuhan... Fired for being inappropriate and incompetent is hired again for an effective, appropriate & competent spokesperson (what's the Urdu idiom for that...?)
I think this discussion has been thickened way out of the balance.
Respected members who want Nawaz, Zardari and their siblings back in power, good wishes, both, for them and for the country!
Respected members who want to give a chance to Imran Khan are equally respected for their hope of Pakistan’s prosperity.
I request to come back to the fundamental topic which is the property, as all members have put up their point of views, loud and clear.
This ought to be enough for the ones who want to read only the property matters!
I do not know whether or not the so far discussion has helped someone on the political ground but it sure has helped the ones who are studying English literature!
I will second AQ sb on this. Its better to accept divergent views on politics and talk about property on this forum for people who look upto experts to have guidance.