Dear authorities,
Could you guys please advise whether to buy a plot in dha 3 b block with possession or cbr 2?
Dear Kabeer,
Dha is always better.CBR2 is not bad and save option only access issue is there but hope for good as CBR is honest developer.It up you if you like to invest in zone-2 then CBR-2 is good and zone-5 Dha is best.
Regards
Both are quite good and will appreciate. I will go with CBR 2. It is my view that BT and DHA have had sort of monopoly and now Market has many good competitors. Moreover, DHA Valley and DHA City Scams have dented the reputation of the DHA. With DHA cheaper options lead to litigation while the clear property is quite expensive if you compare it with the market value.
Despite the quality of DHAs, I have reservations over how they do their business, i.e., Land Acquisition (almost like grabbing) and Scams of their low cost projects.
My reasons to go for CBR 2 are to:
- CBR 1 is a success and CBR 2 is even better with 5 Blocks having possession and 4-5 under development out of which 2 are on installments. All blocks RDA approved with NOC.
- Prices are quite reasonable, you can buy a good 5 Marla in 16 to 18 lac and 1 Kanal in 35 to 40 lac with possession.
- Electricity is available and Gas NOC approved.
- Area is quite green and right next to some reputable societies including FOECHS, Upcountry Enclosures, Taj Residencia, I-16, I-14 and Kohsar View Housing. I-17 as mediacl city will also be adjacent to CBR 2.
- CBR 2 can be biggest beneficiary of Rawalpindi Ring Road whenever that gets materialized.
- Its under RDA but right next to CDA Zone 1 which is seeing some good appreciation due to infrastructure and new Airport.
Main reason is best prices, all NOCs, connected to I-16 via FOECHS, possession available. Someone can correct me if I may have missed some vital information.
Dha plot with possession is 1000000000000 times better than CBR 2… CBR2 has the access issue and that is not gonna get resolved sooner… So go for DHA… And Kabeer… Be careful in forums… Most of the guys have specific interest in the specific societies… Please read the expert views in forums but please do your investigation and accordingly invest…
Friends, i always go for DHA. So, if you are not a billionaire, only go for DHA. DHA brand (as Army will always be a dominant institute in Pakistan) will keep appreciating your property and also it will mature more quickly then other societies.
Ilyas sb, thank you for your input - well appreciated.
Speaking in general, when there is a claim such as 'Most of the guys have specific interest in the specific societies' & 'X being some trillion times better than Y' - that requires evidences or point of view to back that up with logical analysis. Otherwise, its easy to be a keyboard warrior in today's times with sweeping statements and than lack the logical backup. Of-course digging up facts with proper source of evidence takes up time and research, while a sweeping statement only takes a few minutes on the keyboard...
Being an overseas I don't have any investment in either of the two and being out of Pakistan doesn't allow me to be a real estate agent/dealer so I try, in the start or conclusion of almost all of my posts that these are personal views and I am happy to be stand corrected but with solid points and evidence.
coming back to the main topic.
1. Access Issues: Access = Distance & Ease of Travel
Zero-point to DHA3 --> 34.3 KM with 45 min travel time (approx.)
Zero-point to CBR2 --> 34.5 KM with 43 min travel time (approx.)
CBR-2 has access from GTRoad -- I-14 -- I-16. I don't see that as an issue. Issue may be the access from Girga Road but that is an alternative and can be massively compensated and benefited by RRR (that's something to happen in future, so lets talk only when that is on ground).
2. Pricing
CBR 2 - 5 Marla Possession --> 17 to 20 lac - Block A (approx) lac with ready to construct
You can do the math to get the difference of pricing between the two.
I am not pro or anti DHA but in addition to the factors mentioned above, my reasons for not recommending/investing in DHA were made clear right at the start of my post. I have big reservations with the way DHA does their business:
-- Fraudulent & Forceful Land Grabbing
Source - Voice of America, Dawn, Daily Times
ڈی ایچ اے کراچی کو 200 ارب کی زمین تین ارب میں الاٹ کر دی گئی
https://www.urduvoa.com/a/dha-city-karachi-land-scandal-/4405404.html
ڈی ایچ اے پشاور: زمینوں پر بزور قوت قبضہ کیا گیا، متاثرین
https://www.urduvoa.com/a/dha-peshawar-/4393668.html
ڈی ایچ اے سٹی لاہور: ہزاروں متاثرین، اربوں کا فراڈ
https://www.urduvoa.com/a/dha-city-lahore/4384570.html
-- Development Scams
Accountability court charges three main accused in DHA City Lahore scam
https://www.dawn.com/news/1376383
Rs 110bn DHA Valley scam
https://dailytimes.com.pk/259068/rs-110bn-dha-valley-scam/
‘COAS green-lighted NAB action in DHA Valley scam’
https://www.dawn.com/news/1232218
Remember that in DHA Valley even some families of Martyrs and Widows had invested that went into the scam under the name of DHA.
As an affectee if you protest to DHA, these guys can get physical too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NKeNf_7HrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uREx_RHENNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJA4oyJcw9E
No one knows about tomorrow, as of now CBR2 holds a general AGM get-together to call all of its residents, allottess, members and listen to them not try to beat them. I am yet to see any affectee of CBR in their two developed phases.
Regardless of taking sides , I have posted some facts above. Due to these facts I cannot be a blind folded Fan Boy of DHA. The question was among DHA vs CBR so I had to pick one from the two available as per my views and reasons stated above.
Yes, at the end on site visit and personal decision. Forum is about suggestions and they must be with proof and facts! Its not that if one if praising something he is going to sell/transfer a plot and receive the commission/cash online via this forum :)
All the best! Respect to all forumers for their valuable inputs and feedback to help each other with some sort of knowledge sharing. Again I welcome any vital information that I may have missed.
Bro, I am myself investor in DHA valley and suffered a lot but still I would never recommend CBR2 to kabeer as compared to DHA… It is what it is…
Perfectly fine with your views & opinions! all welcome.
The only thing.
- I wouldn't label someone as having interests and misleading others and wouldn't call anyone having interests in DHA or some sort of grudge against CBR2 while they are providing their feedback!!
As you said yourself "I am myself investor in DHA valley...", you invested in DHA valley so basically that makes you the one having an interest/investment in DHA?? so the recommendation :). I don't have a cent invested in either of the DHAs or CBRs
- I will post facts, data, evidence for any YES or NO. As simple yes or no is a matter of personal choice and shows nothing as a neutral view! To me, if we are recommending land grabbers, scammers and Mafia despite their open crime, we as a general public are against our collective interest.
My yes & no had points with proper and credible sources provided & the interpretation is left up to the readers' understanding. By the way sorry to hear about your situation in DHA Valley. Hope all who have their hard earned money get what they deserve. Having said that, I am surprised too that with loss/sufferings due to DHA you will still recommend it to others...
Everyone wishes or recommends an iPhone over Huawei but based on prices & relative specs. Huawei may be a less known brand but offers a far better value for money!
Be blessed!!
I still recommended DHA to kabeer because he gonna get a POSSESSION plot there..Dha is a big big big Brand...they have a big past performance ... I have no interest in DHA because of DHA dead valley..... Being a Muslim I can not recommend CBR to kabeer when it comes to choose between DHA and CBR...... Imtiaz sahib your extreme love for CBR2 is very illogical to me when you compare DHA with this CBR like THING for Allah sake........
Kabeer..... It is not a rocket science...... You visit both societies and then decide it yourself.......
Ilyas sb - with due respect you and myself can recommend some piece of land to someone over Mars, no one is gonna object and no one is gonna bother/buy entirely on our recommendation :). From a seemingly educated person like you I would expect proof/evidence to what you claim. I have my preference against DHA and I provided reasons and proofs with proper source in the post above not made just shallow statements.
Also, if some society has corrupt practices and defrauded Govt & People then no matter if they give a land with underneath oil fields, I will never prefer or recommend to someone. So basically someone with wrong money opens up a business and we encourage him just because he is a big brand!!! As a matter of facts, US is a big brand in terms of Economic and Military aspects, in-fact a super power, do we blind-folded say that US is best too!!
Back to the core of the topic.
My issue is not with DHA-3 or whatever else they have. My issue is the way DHA does its business.
1. Your quote: "your extreme love for CBR2 is very illogical to me when you compare DHA with this CBR like THING for Allah sake........"
--> Its not about my love or hate its about question being asked to suggest the two from above. I have all my claims backed up with proper references and you are still to place a single link on proving your claim that is almost like DHA being best thing ever happening to Pakistan. Sir in today's age evidence/data speaks for itself, rather than me and you arguing.
2. your quote: "CBR2 has the access issue and that is not gonna get resolved sooner"
--> Access = Distance & Ease of Travel
Zero-point to DHA3 --> 34.3 KM with 45 min travel time (approx.)
Zero-point to CBR2 --> 34.5 KM with 43 min travel time (approx.)
With data above, anyone can see for themselves that access thing comment being proved wrong!
3. your quote: "Most of the guys have specific interest in the specific societies"
--> your claim "I am myself investor in DHA valley..." Sir you are the investor in DHA or one of its projects and you label other people as having interest in some societies... Khulla Tazaad hai bhai :)
4. "I still recommended DHA to kabeer because he gonna get a POSSESSION plot there ... "
--> CBR 2 - 5 Marla Possession --> 17 to 20 lac - Block A (approx) lac with ready to construct (I think I must also write POSSESSION instead of Possession to make the point clear)
You can do the math to get the difference of pricing between the two. Give me a possession, developed, approved and ready to construct plot in DHA-whatever phase under 1.8 million and then in that case I will refer 10+ friends who will buy from you or your reference on hard cash with brotherly incentive & financial reward for your efforts too!
5. "Dha is a big big big Brand...they have a big past performance"
--> All links above for some valuable achievements of the big big big Brand
Land Grabbing = Yes
Fraud & Land Scam = Yes (including families of Martyrs)
Corrupt Acquisition of Land = Yes
That is just the tip of the ice-berg! If any of other society has same 'qualities & achievements', I will never recommend that to anyone else!! let alone being a big advocate of them.
6. your quote: "I have no interest in DHA because of DHA dead valley"
--> Sir you have been defrauded by same society yourself but still you will recommend it to others. Being a Muslim tells us not to do so... I sincerely pray that all affectess get their hard earned money back!!
MOST IMPORTANT: Hand over CBR or any other society 4.0 to 5.0 million in cash for a 25x50 | 25x45 and they will be bigger and much better than DHA! I bet on that.
Brother!
More than the comparison, as I am repeating probably the third time, I do not feel right to recommend to anyone any society (whether DHA, CBR or whatever) who is openly involved in corrupt practices - that is the main point!!
Anyways, above all best wishes for our friend Kabeer for whatever he buys or is planning to buy!!
Imtiaz sb, we are witness that you always recommend with honesty backed up with logic. Your answers are very helpful and carry a lot information for any one who seek advice.
I see this guy must be a Facebook warrior with sweeping statements and also attacking others without knowing a miniscule of ethics of regard for having a difference of opinion.
please carry out your great work of advising others with your honest opinion who need. This is indeed a great service.
Dear Guys,
Well appreciated your response
Thank you Imtiaz bhai for your time, you’ve explained it quite well.
To be very honest I have never bought a plot before and didn’t have any idea about property rates, I’ve just started surfing zameen.com over a month and being an overseas Pakistani I am not able to visit the sites myself at the moment.
DHA 3 block B ready for construction offers 4 million for a 25x45 dimension plot ( isn’t it a rip off? , pardon my language)
Where as, as you guys mentioned earlier CBR’s rate are half of DHA’s.
I was just concerned about the rates, let’s say if I get a plot in DHA of 25x45, how much I would get out of it after 2,3 years, pls advise on this one as well.
Personally I feel CBR2 could be a beneficial option for me as I can get a plot of 10 marla instead of 5 in DHA 3 despite the fact that it is well reputed brand.
Regard,
Be cool bros…&… Good luck kabeer…&… I have no personal benefit here…whatever I have said above… That was in good faith to the best of my knowledge and belief…
Cooldown brothers both are good for Kabeer sab Dha-3 is best option.
For long term investment point of view CBR-2 is also good and safe option.
Regards
Dear Imtiaz bhai,
I earned lot in Dha phase-5 and still i have investment in Dha-5 and Multan.app andaza laga sakte ho ka main na Dha-5 ior aik plot B-17 B block ka profit sa 10 million ka house construct kia ha.
I agree with you that Dha Valley and some Lahore Dha projects where people are stuck.
No need to take serious everything because you are hero of this forum and this forum is live because of you and like you people who spend time for others without any benefit.
Regards
Thank you Inam sb and Nadeem sb for your kind words and information that help all of us to learn and lot. I think its a community-driven effort with each of us sharing knowledge to help each other out. We all have difference of opinions that must be respected but without accusations and with due respect and evidences. Thanks again all for valuable contributions to maintain the spirit of the Forum.
All the best wishes for Kabeer!! A brotherly advice would be to visit yourself, make up your mind and trust only in such matters and transactions the one that you believe is trust-able. There is a serious shortage of housing and ultimate desire to have one's own home. Investment at right place with proper holding power will always yield best returns!!
Since you have asked between CBR-2 & DHA
CBR-2 5 Marla can be 17 - 20 lac and 1 Kanal can be 36 to 44 lac - both possession option.
DHA-3 5 Marla possession can be somewhere in the range of 39 to 45 lac.
Rest you can do the math.
Just to put words into visual perspective with 2 overview videos of both:
CBR-2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92nWNXdG8zI&t=59s
DHA-3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqLQP4ZyAFo
Since Kabeer has asked for suggestion, in general, as an overseas myself I would suggest to:
1. Do a bit of homework, ask people on forum, read about online, double check prices.
2. Shortlist the societies/location, try to get into technicalities like price, location, utilities, etc.
3. Do visit yourself, any deal stuck/property purchased with a satisfied feel (no doubts or concerns in mind) is the best deal. That can only happen once you have seen the place with your eyes before any deal. Consider from plot based investment, construction for personal living, or rental value.
4. Suggestion would be to go for the possession one, no partial payments to any individual, try to get same day transfer-possession, same day payment.
Best wishes & regards!
MashaAllah Nadeem sb - good to know about the growth and profitability of your investment!! May Allah bring more growth, success, happiness towards all. Thanks for sharing with us in general all of your views with insights!
In the context of ongoing discussion. From today's BBC Urdu
Source & full article: https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-45655758
ہم ڈی ایچ اے والے
ستمبر28 2018
کل لاہور میں متاثرینِ ڈیج ایچ اے سٹی والوں کی دھنائی ہوتے دیکھ کر خدا کا شکر ادا کیا کہ ہم کراچی والے ڈی ایچ اے کے باسیوں کو کبھی کوئی مظاہرہ نہیں کرنا پڑا۔ ساتھ دل میں تھوڑا سا خوفِ خدا بھی جاگا کیونکہ مظاہرین نعرے لگا رہے تھے کہ ڈی ایچ اے چور ہے۔ اس پر ظاہر ہے ڈی ایچ اے کے محافظین کو غصہ تو آنا ہی تھا۔ انھوں نے آگے سے کہا پکڑو، مارو ان کو۔ اس مار دھاڑ میں ایک خاتون کے ہاتھ سے بینر گر گیا جس پر نعرہ درج تھا، ’ڈی ایچ اے والو فوج کو بدنام کرنا بند کرو۔‘
ویسے تو میں نے کئی ستم ظریفوں کو یہ کہتے بھی سنا ہے کہ ہم پوری قوم ہی متاثرینِ ڈی ایچ اے ہیں لیکن میں نے شاذونادر ہی پاکستان کے کھاتے پیتے لوگوں کو ایسا احتجاج کرتے دیکھا ہے جس میں آگے سے لاٹھیاں کھانی پڑیں۔ ڈی ایچ اے سٹی والوں کے ساتھ ہوئی بھی صریحاً زیادتی ہے۔ ڈی ایچ اے میں پلاٹ خریدنے کے لیے کیا کیا جتن کرنے پڑتے ہیں۔ ڈی ایچ اے میں پلاٹ لینا آدھا لاٹری، آدھا جوا اور باقی جان جوکھوں کا کام ہے۔
Dear Imtiaz,
I clear you already about Dha Lahore yes they have issues in some projects but still Dha is one of big brand in all over Pakistan.
Regards
Sir, I have no issues with DHA and for that sake any other society as far as they deliver on their promises and against the money that they get from people.
I always value your opinion with high appreciation.
This was in today's news. Sir - my issue is with them regarding beating up the protesters when they ask for their right. This has happened in the past, happening now and will happen in future (I wish not). They have issues not only in LHR but at-least in ISB and to large extent KHI and Peshawer too, one way or the other. Such Mafia must at-least be condemned with their fraud and violence towards the protesters on every possible forum. This forum can be one of the places where good must be appreciated and bad must be highlighted too.