Dont let your inner frustrations show the crap that cooks on your top bin. Don't expect ego massage here with the kind of mess you are and the non-sense you spill.
Before pouring your cheap, name calling, accusing small brain into your fingers to type, go back and check how much stupidity and crap you spill out and then lick it back. Go and first prove your made up crap on:
- Bahria Enclave drowning, Real estate crashing and USD falling back by 10 to 15 PKR, Suggesting Overseas to Pack their bags and move out of Pakistan. Once this has happened come back again only, if you have even half the decency and one bit of sense!!
Me being an Indian rat, miserable soul and agent is regardless of the fact that non-sense stupidity must be encountered that I had and that I will. New 'Criteria for NATIONALISM = Be a mute stupid to what is happening around and publicly claim 1 USD = 1 PKR soon enough'
Closing eyes to the realities doesn't change them, never knew the psycho inside you can come out that quick when given the facts that USD demand is increasing due to more demand for oil, defense hardware/services/equipment and all other Tech Hardware ...
IMF has asked Pakistan to further devalue by 28%
This Imran Khan the genious for many will drown the country just like Nawaz and Zardari did. He is rolling this country downhill from the first day, with big mouth and speeches he has won hearts of the stupid mass. Please wake up.
IMF is not dependent on Pakistan but otherwise.
don't worry keyboard warriors, your future leaders will be Bilawal and Maryam,
So frustrating to see what they all are defending and trying to proof here.
Sohail, if you still believe your goru Imran niazi can do something good then you are living in a fools paradise.
Nobody is defending or taking Bilawal and Maryams side.
Good talk and speeches alone mean nothing, i hope you understand that.
This is the very issues with the political bigotry, even when you are talking about currency devaluation, the bigot with an iota of remaing sense will turn that into a political opposition scenario. Brotherly advise: when you accuse, have half the human decency to furnish facts of accusations and not go in a hiding. Just check SBP offical data and figures from Bureau of Statistics (owned and provided by state), all Self-explanatory.
My dears, whoever has been a chor deserves to be prosecuted as our stakes are with the country only. Not buying the false theories and expressing it is a mere difference of opinion that is anyone's right. This forum is no formal platform to impact national policy and official decisions. If you hear PM's speeches on IMF, economy and monetary issues (even declaring Hafeez Shaikh as a chor in his previous tenure) any citizen will be disappointed.
So a debate on not accepting the fall of USD, under current circumstances automatically qualifies one for Anti-Govt? However, if one instead of counter arguments start bashing and name calling, in a free society he/she can, but realities can't be altered based on one's Disneyland fantasy bubble and what one spills out of his keyboard. Applies to all!
Sohail khana wrora engaging with the ex-two party monopoly fanbase is just a waste of your valuable time which can best be utilised by simply ignoring the negativity they are and will continue to propagate atleast for the next four to five years. Their looter leaderships that brought constant misery to the nation for decades have been rightly dismissed and most of the nation is glad to see their backside. People have moved on. Good riddance.
Rather focus your energies on positivity and optimism for a brighter future for next generations.
Ao JDM wrora you are not too far off the mark with your suspicions ) as i have previously mentioned about paid employees that are at it 24/7, and i think Mr AQ mentioned it somewhere too, well allow me to share its actualy called NRT "national resource talent" a so-called thinktank but actualy a pmln social media cell and she is behind them, so yes they are paid to do what they have been doing for the past year or so.
With humble sincere apologeez to whom it may concern. I dont mean to interfere in your job, please continue. Just shared info so some genuine fellow members shouldnt be surprised or workedup anymore.
Tragedy with Self-proclaimed Online (Keyboard + LED) Intellects:
(1) Any point out of the facts and/or not buying their Spam Category Theories is considered by them as a direct attack on their key-board boosted ego.
(2) They cook-up a plot in their minds to build a full narrative and when asked for the evidence to back-up they have nothing but to go back to (1)
A random ID with a Blank Profile to me is much more of a candidate to receive monthly stipend for his data package topups to accuse people when issues are highlighted. As usual, asking for evidence is Haram and may lead him to go in hiding, change the topic, or come up with more accusations that should end up in junk, if there was message filtering option... Not a rocket science and simply browsing through the same thread will highlight a lot of such online intellects with a diversity of cooked up stuff without any evidence for the claim!
Hard to understand the curse on Imran Khan without knowing some fundamental realities!
--Can someone tell me, Is it first time Pakistan gone to the IMF?. The earlier govts did not go to ADP, IMF, World bank and other lending institutions? Even some earlier programs Pakistan failed right in between the IMF program on not obeying the IMF conditions?
--Talk of the less revenue in FBR: When Ismail Muftaa sets politically motivated higher false targets of collection, then how come we could possibly say that FBR lost this much and that much…..?
--Can someone tell me at least a single institution performing the way it was supposed to…All in the hands of corrupts handpicked by Nawaz, Shahbaz and Zardari?
--If Nawaz is greatest in the world then, was a single famous Noon leader came to receive him and his daughter at Lahore airport upon their arrival from UAE?....All were there to celebrate with drums when he was en route to jail??? Does not that sound Nawaz popularity??
-- Imran govt did wait and exhausted all resources to get money from UAE, Malaysia, Saudia, China under the impression that may be Pakistan will survive without IMF.. Was it a bad decision?
--Munshi Dar held Rs overpriced by getting high interest loans on massive scale and hid the actual situation of Pak economy. Is Imran wrong to tell the nation about the real picture of Pakistan?
--All of our great love birds, have money piles, villas, heavy investment outside Pakistani.. Imran does not have such option? Prove if any keyboard warier could?
--Was the supreme court, NAB that much active during Nawaz and Zardari time?
--Is it month’s job to identify and remove the 1000s of corrupt ones installed by N & Z in every organization? Imran may be a little late throwing them out but is it a bad decision…may be 1st time in the history of 70 years, it is happening in Pakistan. Imran has started reforms in the institutions and In Shaa Allah He will succeed exactly the way He has been in hospitals, University.
--Did any dude from Nawaz/Zardari thought of making dams??
--Imran is human being and it is quite natural that he shall put his trusted ones/friends on the key posts and, yes, some of his ministers are wrongly placed but be assured no one will survive if not performing.
I have lot more but this much tonic is enough for the keyboard warriors!
AQ sb, good to see you back and with your valubale inputs.
With due respect, no curse for IK or anyother for that sake. We need democracy and IK or any other elected ones that does deserves their constitutional tenure, million times better then dictatorships. Simple scroll through will help to highlight that this forum post on devaluation has a longer life and most recent discussion is a mere highlight of:
- Argument/Counter argument on hypothesis that USD will fall back at least > 10% against it's value in PKR.
- Evidences that are referred as Fake without any rationale when they dont suit personal likings/agendas.
- Individuals not liking the flip side of the situation. Building the whole script and bashing without knowing what exactly is being discussed.
** Open invitation to all, to point out single instance where any individual of the Govt. has been cursed ** surely that will be far easy then a blind-folded post with a very personal deviated interpretation!!
However if any fellow forumer like to interpret that as a curse on IK or any individuals, well for that there is no cure, Personal Interpretations is the polite word for that. If chors' perfomance is a benchmark for each single instance of reference and justifictions, what sort of progress can be built on top of that... Unfortunately, big worded claims during opposition times are not helping Govt. now when some hard steps need to be taken, as simple as that!
Imtiaz sb: My post is not pointed one! I am reading comments here and there and just responded to those who seem to be beneficiary of the system, one way or another.
Fully agreed: “Unfortunately, big worded claims during opposition times are not helping Govt. now when some hard steps need to be taken, as simple as that!”
Sir, to me your learned analysis is like an institutional learning.
AQ sb, likewise, it's just a general discussion (without ref to any individual) as happens on public forum to maintain mutual respect, unlike few who loose the cool bit with name calling stuff.
Needless to say but it has to be said that AQ Sb and Nadeem Sb, to me, not just on technical terms but in maintaining the basic decency, have been and will be the ultimate gurus of the forum. Respect to say the least!
Thanks Imtiaz sb. Life feels rewarding when one makes a place in one’s heart.
Thank you AQ sahib, this IS exactly I was referring to the frustration as by posting so much negativity for current government what we are trying to achieve, are we missing the two past golden times of NS and AZ or there is anyone else with more better magical options to change the mess around in few days, I could not understand the word incompetent that is stick to this Govt.
For God sake, everyone has seen the last governments, the intention of IK is good and let’s make him strengthen by giving confidence and moving forward. No one ever talked about tourism and green initiative in this country before, this shows his love and sincerity to the country. This thoughts can come from person who kicked of British benefits not kicked the country to get British benefits.
Everything doesn’t work on evidences, proofing by calculations and data, some of the important decisions of life needs to be made on the voice of our heart.
The voice of Heart saying the leader is clean and not greedy, Inshallah the things will become better over period of time.
Sohail Khan, good intentions alone mean nothing if one lacks the ability and is not fit for a job, IK lacks that ability he really is "incompetent" and even if a heart tells one that his so called leader is "clean and not greedy" doesnt mean a darn thing if he cannot run a small country.
An example is a person who prays 5 times, earns halal rizq and is the best in worldly affairs but doesnt know how to drive, would you give him your car to drive? Car is Pakistan, for you the driver is IK.
PS. before you label me as Patwari or Jiyala I am none of them and pray this very IK who used to say he will bring back their wealth can prove it right, that he NEVER will.
Ty Phoon
Pakistan prospered to highest level of its history even under the leadership of Mr. Ghulam Mohammad who was handicapped, could not speak even a full word without the help of his foreigner secretory, Miss Boral!
This was because he was not corrupt.
The problem started when one fine day Zia called Nawaz who was eating chicken roast in his house and was informed that he is going to be the Punjab finance minster…. After that a long and painful story was there to be written in the history. Nawaz & Zardari being shame of Pakistan reputation put down our economy the maximum they could by taking more and more loans, putting the best corrupt they could find in every department.
Pakistan so far was running on USA $ but someone has to stand up to put Pakistan on its own feet and that is exactly what Imran is doing!
Imran is incompetent, bad driver but the steps being taken every day which passes by, speaking up for his “full competency”.
There is an ocean of corruption for clean up plus some of Imran’s own people are not clean but be assured that He will survive in spite of all media & status quo’s criticism, because of single factor: Imran is not corrupt, not hiding real picture like N & Z has been doing for decades and never been able to think out of the box.
Yes, Imran s also going to IMF but what are the options, he has been left with?
Suhail Sb: Where were these people for the decades when N & Z were looting the country???
Well said AQ sab.At that looting time these people were also involved in looting.
Regards
USD 6 BN over 3 yrs deal done with IMF, needing board approval from Washington (Head Office)
Suhail Bhai and AQ sb, your comments reflect optimism which is much needed at national level at these difficult times.
Some of the details have been distrubing. Yes it's a collective failure as a State. Again, reiterating the facts that single biggest factor for Govt. is not opposition but their own big words and near impossible promises to bag the votes that are back-firing.
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Finance Ministry's Top Official Missing from IMF Talks
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenews.com.pk/amp/470294-finance-ministry-s-top-official-missing-from-imf-talks
"The State Bank official source, who was present in the Pak-IMF meetings, was surprised that why the key finance ministry official who was part of the negotiating team before was missing when the talks are in the final stage. The SBP source said the finance ministry official opted out of these talks when he was told not to argue with the IMF. The finance ministry official, the source said, was fighting hard with the IMF to get the bail-out package with such conditions which are favorable to Pakistan but he was stopped from arguing Islamabad’s case effectively. The source said the quality of Pak-IMF talks was really pathetic, as Islamabad almost agreed to everything that the IMF wished. According to the source, it was a “complete submission” and a total “sell-out” instead of a “bail-out” package. "
Imtiaz bahi any differ with qayum saab? i think he explain nicely.
No difference with AQ sb and his valuable inputs, have to agree mostly as they reflect sincerity of expression as well as Sohail Bhai with optimism. We had been unfortunate as a nation. Past was horrible, we deserve better future, we hope for it and just maintain the spirit of appreciating the right and pointing out the wrong!
Re: Corruption vs Incompetency
Yes, an ideal world 'should be' corruption free. However, we live in a non-ideal world. US, RUS, CHN have one of the corrupt ruling elites one can find (Bush/Trump, Putin and his Russian Oligarchs, Communist Party of PRC) but still their economies are flourishing. Reason? Do whatever the hell corruption (under cover) that they can but for technical posts right and competent person for the job. Only closest exemplary Nations (minimal corruption) can be NZ or Iceland but with the magnitude of their economies they hardly matter as far as global decision making and impacts are concerned.
Unfortunately, post Liaquat Ali, we had the lot affiliated as cronies of NS, AZ, and now IK as rare combinations of Corrupt + Incompetent (all inclusive).
IK I believe do represent a hope (in his personal capacity) but his team is a disaster!